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George and I talk about how he learned to do what we do. He loved his classes on security, and I'm envious. He doesn't remember his classes on mathematics — I might envy that, too. We talk about how hard making good games is, a little. And we talk about how you need to think of each job as a stepping stone to the right next thing.

George is a Principal Engineer at Banked, a digital payments company and can be found as fuzzmonkey on Twitter.